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several questions on magnetism
Re: several questions on magnetism -- Chrissy	Post Reply	Top of thread	Forum

Posted by: RKimball ® 11/04/2003, 21:50:23 Author Profile Mail author Edit

I love the questions, .... thinkers! I'm going to respond in a fun way, if you please. I will not actually give the answers ... however .. Anything that is passing current is magnetic while the current is passing. So... while the current is passing it is "magnetized" ... tricky question. Is it able to stay magnetized? .. the question did not ask that. To see this, place a compass near a DC current and watch. ... an easy way is near your cable on your car battery while the starter is energized to crank the engine. Is the copper magnetic while the current is passing .... ???... wink.. Is copper magnetic? Some believe the poles of the earth have shifted one or more times, and some believe they have reversed ... have they ?? .. I dauh know. Can they? .. some believe a catastrophic happening like a huge atomic explosion in the core of the earth has and would cause a reversal of the poles. I'm of the opinion that the core is one huge atomic event. .. so... ??? In space???, check out a NASA web site, you can bet they tested that thoery! How fast is magnetism? ... Magnetism is an energy force, not a motion. How fast will something pull into a magnetic field? Will it depend on in what medium the action is being controled? The closer the object is to the center of the field the harder the pull (more powerful the force), so that would say it is an accelerated action. That says the square laws are involved. Is a squared pull continual, ... or a curve. .. wink... The speed of light? .... wink... or is that our answer for many maximum speeds only becacause we do not know how to measure faster speeds? The reason I have decided to play with your question is because I have felt for years that although our current thoery of magnetism seems to work well and makes an excellent physics model, it doesn't feel right yet, to me. I have this hunger to listen and watch because I have strong doubts that our thoery is correct. I think that our current theories may perhaps be accurate (or not) but are still missing an additional property that is foreign (unknown) to us. Therefore we just don't know how to find or test for it. I believe that we will learn gravity and magnetism are more related than we understand at this time. .. perhaps they even are the same thing. ... When we break through and grasp that relationship (whatever is missing) I think it will be one of the grandest breakthroughs so far!!!! I'm thinking levation! Some think the Egyptians knew that trick, ... I would not be surprised, they were sharp and learned folk. We owe much of our "modern" world to electro magnetism!!!! We are exchanging this taunt on a device that runs because of electro magnetism. Without it we would be digging in the dirt to grow crops with hand forged tools. Thank you for allowing me to play with your questions, I hope I aroused interest and debate which will spark learning, or even a breakthrough. That would be so KOOL! -randy- ** The worst suggestion of your lifetime may be the catalyst to the grandest idea of the century, don't fail to listen to suggestions. -randy- Modified by RKimball at Tue, Nov 04, 2003, 21:56:05

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several questions on magnetism
Re: several questions on magnetism -- RKimball	Post Reply	Top of thread	Forum

Posted by: RKimball ® 11/05/2003, 22:43:43 Author Profile Mail author Edit

Chrissy.... GOOD! Then maybe your vision is not hampered by an opinion 'educated' in current theories so deeply that it is blind to the simplistic answers. This may be your edge. I would like to believe this edge and your demonstrated intellence could lead you into new thought patterns. I relish the idea that you may could concentrate on learning the tools of experimantal methods while maintaining a clean slate in the theories of magnetic forces. I have spent countless hours playing with magnets in hope of finding new a understanding to how they relate in a fresh way. However, I'm really good at instinctively applying known physics to fresh problems and not so good at finding fresh thoeries. I wish I were!!! .... oh! how I wish I were!!!!! How many times have we been looking for something near us and had a passer-by point at it, when ask, right before our eyes? We are very easily blinded by our opinion of what we see. Opinions are formed by experiences and education. Education is "immursement" into current theroies. .. maybe someday.. thank you! -randy- ** The worst suggestion of your lifetime may be the catalyst to the grandest idea of the century, don't fail to listen to suggestions. -randy- Modified by RKimball at Wed, Nov 05, 2003, 22:50:30

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Posted by: Chrissy ® 11/05/2003, 09:26:52 Author Profile Mail author Edit

I find the topic of magnetism and the possibility that electromagnetic-weak force could somehow be "the same thing" as gravity a very intriguing idea myself and one I have contemplated for a very long time. Unfortunately my technical background is minimal and most of my assumptions and ideas are little more than guesswork. But a breakthrough like this would indeed be the greatest discovery of all time! I believe that Einstein was on the right track early on but his thought processes (and perhaps limitations in experimental techniques) may have taken him off track later in life. Like you, I have a hunch that our theories on gravity and electromagnetism are close but still a bit off. I look around my yard, my life, and this world and everything is so elegantly simple that this beautiful simplicity must also apply on the subatomic level. En vogue theories of probability and the like seem to me to only add to the confusion and misinformation. I am again reminded of Einstein "God doesn't play dice". Does anyone reading this know of universities or other organizations presently doing experiments on this topic? I'd like to read up on the latest research.

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Posted by: Cragyon ® 11/05/2003, 10:36:46 Author Profile Mail author Edit

I read an interesting and easy to read book years ago which discussed gravity, magnetism and high energy physics that I would like to recommend. "The God Partical", by Leon Ledderman This book is very easy to read and understand.  I believe Ledderman is a Nobel Prise winner (Physics).

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