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Posted by: RTC RACING ®

08/05/2005, 22:07:29

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My son and I are into racing the 120 snowmobiles,stock class. A major factor with the performance of the sled is resistance to the engine. I was wondering what would be the best way to go with the bearings in the suspension and on the drive shaft? I would think the bearings would have to be durable, but not much resistance. The existing bearings in the suspension are a 6205 2RS. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jay






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Posted by: kelly_bramble ® Administrator

08/10/2005, 08:25:18

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I don't know anything specifically about the 6205 2RS bearing, however proper bearing installation is often over looked by mechanics. If the bearing is a sealed type, then inspect the bearing for proper rotation in the direction of operation. When installing the bearing, be sure that alignment is correct and that the retaining mechanism/bracket installs correctly and that alignment isn't lost.

If the bearing is an open taper, barrel type, and you are required to apply the bearing grease, this is a great opportunity to reduce rolling friction. Taper type bearings, as used in automotive front axle / spindle applications, require pre-greasing. This is normally done at the factory with a special machine, which forces grease through the bearing and completely greases the bearing. At home, there is a technique where grease is applied to the palm of your hand, and the bearing is slowly and systematically greased by forcing the grease up through the crevices of the bearing with a scraping motion of the bearing on the palm of the hand to the grease.

With all this said, you can reduce the friction in the bearing by investigating different bearing greases appropriate to your application. A lower viscosity bearing grease should reduce rolling friction. Keep in mind that the bearing will likely require replacement sooner.






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Posted by: kelly_bramble ®

08/10/2005, 08:32:30

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Another possibility, and I suspect this is what your realy after, is to identify a replacement bearing with less friction. The bearing could have less friction by design, or becuase the bearing has less friction producing contact surfaces. Sometimes lighter-duty interchangable bearings are a good short run application replacment.

Not to go overboard, however bearing rolling friction could be verified with realy simple test fixture. You could also use this rolling-friction test fixture to verify you are actualy installing the lowest friction bearing from a lot of bearings.






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Posted by: randykimball ®
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08/06/2005, 11:56:01

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First things first, are you having bearing failure problems?

The 6205 doubled sealed is a good light duty bearing (if it is comming from a good manufacturer and not some cheap rip-off).
If there is room for a wider bearing you can replace it with a double wide (two rolls of balls) bearing of the same OD and ID, but some wider. This would improve the load rating, IF you have a load bearing problem (I doubt you do). The 6205 is a ball bearing package, you could go to a roller bearing package to reduce friction but would loose side to side control, which means you would need to add a thrust bearing pair somewhere... then we have added bearings and friction back into the equation. .... My experience would lead me to use what the manufactures have proven to work in the best models and take advantage of their research and development man hours spent.

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Posted by: RTC RACING ®

08/06/2005, 13:32:01

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I'm not having any bearing failure, just looking to reduce resistance in the drive system and suspension. Is the NTN bearing a good way to go? I see that they make bearings specifically for snowmobiles and low temperatures.






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Posted by: randykimball ®
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08/06/2005, 17:33:09

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Let us give others a chance to chime in, the value here is that we have the inputs from many kinds of professionals ... it is quite a brain trust!

I really doubt you are going to gain any significant improvements over the NTN's you are using. BUT, there are those aboard that know more on this subject.

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Posted by: RTC RACING ®

08/06/2005, 21:24:08

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Thanks for your input and time Randy. Jay






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Posted by: Dale ®

08/11/2005, 02:18:48

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I'mm not sure on your size of bearing but recently i've discovered the use of ceramic baerings.....but......depends on how much u want to spend. They are very expensive. Im guessing around 100 to 150 dollars EACH.

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